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yvonne



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Kev, you can help me out on this one! The background was darkened purely with the shadow tool on Picasa (you can still see a bit of the stem at the rhs. How much easier and more effective would using p/s be? This is my first attempt at changing background colour, the picture was taken outside so only natural light was used and I just highlighted a few areas.
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yvonne

Registered: August 2008
Posts: 438
Fri June 5, 2009 11:16am

Before you jump on me, Kev - Ive spotted my deliberate mistake! Of course, it is an Iris and not a lily - (I dont know the latin name) us mere mortals are inclined to make mistakes!
yvonne

Registered: August 2008
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Fri June 5, 2009 11:18am

Did a quick edit Nah!
Kev

Registered: February 2008
Posts: 2,722
Fri June 5, 2009 4:38pm

Yvonne, I don't use PS for my black background effect...I use Capture NX2.
However, as you own a Nikon also - you should be using that too to process your NEF files.


I explain the technique in my blogs here:
http://geofflawrence.com/blog/?p=1849


http://geofflawrence.com/blog/?p=1761


http://geofflawrence.com/blog/?p=1082


I think it would also be a useful lesson IF Geoff wrote a very detailed, step by step tutorial on creating a flower shot 'black background' in PS/Elements - because more folks are now doing this kind of thing.
yvonne

Registered: August 2008
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Fri June 5, 2009 4:53pm

Thanks Kev - I'll look at your blog - been quite busy of late and not able to indulge in much shooting. Plus I'll get NX Capture too. - out of interest, what do you think of the above? Grateful for any constructive criticism!
Kev

Registered: February 2008
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Sat June 6, 2009 5:19am

OK, here's my 25 cents worth...


First off, I think one has to decide whether the shot is going to be a 'close-up' or a 'macro' - as it can't really be both. I think many folks get a wee bit confused with this subject and try to shoot very closeup without using a proper 1:1 ratio macro and wind up pushing their regular lens to the minimum-focus max.


That's the case here - I believe.


The perspective (at this distance) is indeed macro, but IF you were using a macro lens I don't think you'd get anywhere near the DOF shown here, so I suspect you've just maxed out a regular 55mm.


I do that sometimes too and it works OK/fine, but at other times it's not so good.


I think here it would have been better to back off somewhat and treat it simply as a closeup - but not THIS close, which would have obtained better critical-detail and clarity, etc. It's a bit too much 'in my face' but doesn't have that macro type angle, which is more subtle, with a smoother transition between focal planes.


The colour saturation looks kinda over enhanced/false too.


The lighting isn't bad...there's no blowout areas...but the Piccasa masking tool is not great coz it hasn't defined the petal edges very well.
yvonne

Registered: August 2008
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Sat June 6, 2009 7:00pm

Well, I did ask for it! Yes, I did go close in and maxed to the 55mm but this is a crop and looks even closer - I'll post the original as comparison. No colour saturation was employed on this one, merely shadows and a bit of highlight and I sharpened it one click. I'll admit, it does look dark but I think using the shadow tool to black out the background, also darkened the blue of the Iris - have a look at original and see if thats any better - I do value your feedback as I've not done a huge amount of flowers and plants s ticking mostly to landscapes but I want to have some variety.
yvonne

Registered: August 2008
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Sat June 6, 2009 7:31pm

Original pic - I sharpened the edges one click.
Kev

Registered: February 2008
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Sat June 6, 2009 8:23pm

The blue looks more natural now...and yes, often when you apply a background-darkening tool it will effect the subject too...unless one uses a proper PS masking/layer setup...or selection control points in NX2.
Sat June 6, 2009 8:50pm

Yvonne why don't you do like I do and save your self some aggro, I use a board covered with Black felt and put that behind the subject to be photographed.
yvonne

Registered: August 2008
Posts: 438
Sat June 6, 2009 9:44pm

Dado, yes I could do that but these were taken outdoors in a friends garden. If I were picking the flowers to photograph at home, I could certainly do that as an option. I don't yet have all the indoor lighting that I would need so I tend to photograph outdoors mostly, but I'll get there. Thanks for the tip-all comments are greatly appreciated.
geofflaw
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Registered: December 2007
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Sun June 7, 2009 9:04am

I prefer it with the original background. Smile
yvonne

Registered: August 2008
Posts: 438
Sun June 7, 2009 9:45am

There's always one! You guys are so contrary! Luckily I have saved all my attempts on this pic, even watercolour and posterising which I quite liked and would look good on canvas,I think. Ah, well, onward and upward! Smile

 
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